«Log» Logging of this window started to file PROGDIR:Logs/CH_Redwall at 23-Apr-99 22:12:22. |miggyfree| a cool feature we are building in is the ability for the web page designer to define their own little activity button |miggyfree| transfer button |miggyfree| Tipsy: aMozillaX will come in 030, 040, 060 flavours |miggyfree| there will also be limited ppc support |miggyfree| IRC client will be similar to the one seen in MissingU.com |miggyfree| any other features you would like to see? or any questions? |duroc| miggyfree: support for axxs to newgroups like voyager would be good fer me :) |Tipsy| So what features will aMozillaX actually have that neither Voyager or IBrowse have ? |miggyfree| Tipsy: oh, there are lots |miggyfree| I will come equipped with a proper, feature list tommorow |miggyfree| All i can say is that we believe aMozillaX will be truly innovative |miggyfree| and will be the best browser on any platform |miggyfree| and we mean that |miggyfree| there may be people who dont believe it, but I am genuinly excited about this, and I intend to release a full version at WOA bundled with OS3.5 |miggyfree| Having spoken further to Bill McEwan i believe this dream can happen |amirules| miggy : will the ppl on the amoz team get free os 3.5 ? =) |miggyfree| amirules: the developers might.... but not you |miggyfree| :) |miggyfree| im getting a copy anyway |miggyfree| Bill McEwan has promised me |DrFloppy| I would like to know if there are plugins for RealAudi and RealVideo |miggyfree| DrFloppy: aMozillaX will ship with Real Audio but not Real Video support. Unlike the other browsers, this will be internal and support streaming real audio. |DonJuan| Whats about Java? |miggyfree| Yes it will have Java although we are as yet unsure as to what package, if any we will use |BOB| a few questions; are the image decoders being done in c (ported) or in asm (from scratch), second aren't you worried that by releasing a free web browser, it could damage the already unstable commerical market (ibrowese, voyager etc)? |miggyfree| The Image libraries are being written from scratch for speed |miggyfree| The Amiga market, in my opinion cant support three commercial browsers anyway, and we must respect that it is a free market |d2| what ca u tell us about ppc suport & hardware requirements |miggyfree| d2: The initial version will have ppc optimised image libraries. The second version, due August, will be available in PPC Native |miggyfree| aMozillaX will require an 030/8mb minimum |miggyfree| 040/40 16mb recommended |miggyfree| d2: there will be a release in the next two-three weeks |miggyfree| d2: it will be available on Aminet |DonJuan| will there be problems with OS3.5? |DonJuan| will there be an IRC-client? |miggyfree| DonJuan: no, in fact we are considering creating a version of aMozillaX which uses the Reaction system |miggyfree| DonJuan: yes, there will be a Java irc client. |DrFloppy| Is there VRML, ActiveX, Shockwave support? What file formats are supported internaly and which are supported via datatypes? aMozilla will not go commercial? What kind of INTERFACE it have (MUI?)? |miggyfree| There will be VRML and Shockwave |miggyfree| ActiveX is a windows propriatery format |miggyfree| Internally, there will be PNG, GIF, IFF, JPEG, XBM |miggyfree| aMozillaX will always be free |miggyfree| It has an MUI interface. a Reaction Interface may also be developed |DrFloppy| Is there httpresume function included? |miggyfree| DrFloppy: our download engine is the most intelligent and powerful engine on any platform |marmoset| mozilla is slow, buggy, and lacking many features on it's most supported platform, linux-x86. How can a much smaller team of developers hope to take the mess of source and make something more useful than the current amiga browsers? GA |miggyfree| marmoset: because aMozillaX is no longer a straight port of Mozilla. It is mainly GECKO, a lot of the code is platform independant. The initial versions I have are very fast indeed, and the feature list is impressive. |d2| wha about speed of html browswr? will it recognize html v 4.0? |miggyfree| d2: the html engine will support HTML4.0, including CSS1 and partial CSS2 |miggyfree| XML, DOM |miggyfree| EcmaScript |DrFloppy| A function like "GetAllHTML" would be welcome. |DrFloppy| while you read one page the others should download as well |DrFloppy| and what abour SSL |miggyfree| DrFloppy: there is a feature that is similar to that. You can pre-select which links you will be viewing, and when you are viewing the first one, the others will be download |miggyfree| DrFloppy: there will be SSL |DonJuan| whats about MPEG and AREXX-Support? |miggyfree| DonJuan: there will be internal MPEG video and audio support. |miggyfree| DonJuan: we also have a very powerful Arexx plugin interface, in addition to the propriatery plugin interface |miggyfree| I have a full feature list here if anyone wants to put it on a webpage (i wont dcc it to everyone!) |miggyfree| my webpage server isnt responding |d2| will java be internal package or external? |miggyfree| d2: Java will be external. |d2| who will write this? |miggyfree| d2: we are currently evaluating the choices |miggyfree| d2: we may do our own, or we may use "another" JVM |DrFloppy| is there support for background music like midi or mod. format? when can we get beta version? |miggyfree| DrFloppy: yes, these will be supported |miggyfree| it will be made available on a webpage RSN |miggyfree| Beta Version in 2-3 weeks |miggyfree| we have been slightly delayed due to new features we are adding.... |miggyfree| but I promise a beta in the first half of May |\Abraham| How do you plan to interagate e-mail support? Will it be using it's own internal client or will it use a seperate sw (like yam)? Why did MBeck not want to support this idea? |miggyfree| It will be using Netscape Grendel Java Mail Client |miggyfree| Marcel Beck didnt want to work with us |\Abraham| Is that used in NS aswell? |miggyfree| Abe: no, but it will be in the next version |pizza| whats about working together with holger kruse on the java thing ? |miggyfree| pizza: we are evaluating the Java situation. There are 4 alternatives to us. Daytona is one of them. |Wizzard_o| will it work on my 060 or will error 800000 000004 prevail ? |miggyfree| Wizzard_o: there will be 030, 040, 060 binaries |miggyfree| the source code will also be available should you wish to compile it yourself |d2| what about newsreader support? i want the feature list too:) when we see more screenshots on your page? what about MIME coding of national charsets? |miggyfree| d2: no newsreader. Use Newsrog it rocks. There will be some more screenshots in the ext couple of days. |DonJuan| Is there any official support by netscape (personal/money/equipment). Do they know anything about Amiga? |miggyfree| DonJuan: Mozilla.org have offered to give us a section on the CVS server. There will be some more news on how we will be supported soon. |DonJuan| And what about AOL. Do you use only the Instant Messanger without using AOL service? |miggyfree| DonJuan: yes, instant messenger isnt AOL only |DrFloppy| Will there be any program in style of web server in the future? |DrFloppy| with editor like front page |miggyfree| aMozillaX will have an extremely intuitive web server built into it (optional) |miggyfree| the second version of aMozillaX will have a Editor program |DrFloppy| optional? |DrFloppy| what do you mean by that? |miggyfree| DrFloppy: yes it will be optional |DrFloppy| as a plugin? |miggyfree| It means you dont have to run the web server part, if you have security concerns |\Abraham| How do you intend to support the NG Amiga? Will it have an arexx port? A suggestion: How about having a unique feature of being able to customise what each gadget looks like from a list of styles? A question: Does it suport GFX cards? Can u use wcams? Is there support for java plugins? Will there be support for protoc |\Abraham| ols such as usenet? Will it support http 1.1 requests (iirc there is a v1.1)? Will it have all the browser specific features from netscape? |miggyfree| mmmmn, lots there :) |\Abraham| why ? |miggyfree| NGAmiga: we will evaluate the situation nearer the time. |miggyfree| Arexx Port: yes |miggyfree| Gadgets... when the v2.0 is released with the GTK engine you will be able to use themes |miggyfree| GFX cards - Yes |miggyfree| WebCams: yes |miggyfree| Java Plugins: yes |miggyfree| http1.1 - yes |miggyfree| Last Question: yes |someone| Which compiler is used for aMozillaX, and do you intend to release any source code before the final version is released? GA |miggyfree| someone: StormC, which H+P kindly donated. |miggyfree| someone: the source code will be released when Beta1 is released. |miggyfree| We go fully open source then... |d2| no news support not realy email supp built in why? on old screnshots there will email window. netscape is all in one - amozilla only www browser:(( |miggyfree| d2: there will be Mail, Netscape Grendel... |miggyfree| we orgininally planned our own mail program |miggyfree| but now we will use the Java mail program for Mozilla, Grendel, with SMTP, POP3 and IMAP support |d2| what about national charset coding |d2| eg: polish, czech charset |miggyfree| d2: yes, only Hebrew and Arabic wont really be useable |d2| cyrylic'a? |miggyfree| d2: yes, |pizza| in which form will the sourcecode be provided ? GA |miggyfree| pizza: the source will be available via FTP and there will be a CVS server established to create atrue multi-developer environment |someone| Most people doesn't seem to understand that Mozilla and Netscape is _not_ the same. Maybe you should try to make this clearer :) |someone| and maybe explain what differences there are ;) |Tipsy| miggyfree: explain the differences pls |miggyfree| Mozilla is designed to create Netscape 5.0 |miggyfree| it will be radically different from previous incarnations of Netscape |miggyfree| it uses new layout engines etc |miggyfree| Mozilla will become Netscape 5.0 |DonJuan| How many people are currently working for this project? How will be financed further versions? GA? |miggyfree| DonJuan: there are 8 developers in aMozillaX. Around 15 for Free Amiga project. |miggyfree| All our coders are working for free. *Tipsy points to the beta testers as well ;) |\Abraham| Is it ok with netscape to do this? Will there be a significant speed increase for optimised versions? - I had this problem with Ibrowse where in foms there was a string gadget with next in it, but in all other browsers it showed up as a button (like it was meant to). Will amozzilla have annoying bugs like this? I'm not familiar with the mozzilla cocept, is it netscape or what? Is it a name earned by ports of netscape??? A doubtful bit of speculation or a possible suggestion if not: Will there |miggyfree| Abe: yes. Optimised version will be quicker. An 060 should rock the house. We will try to eradicate all bugs |miggyfree| Mozilla is the project to design and write Netscape 5.0 |miggyfree| a lot of the code is new. |\Abraham| be support for a webserver? Could there be support 4 a webserver or a seperate program, as there is with microsurfs IE? |miggyfree| aMozillaX will have an internal web server. |\Abraham| How easy is it 2 use? |\Abraham| Will it be like apache? |miggyfree| Abe: it will be very intuitive to use. It will be a matter of selecting home directory and the index file |miggyfree| The program does the rest |d2| do u bring netscape 5 to amiga? what can u tell us about other free amiga project? |d2| and just morewords about java port |miggyfree| d2: aMozillaX will be as good as Netscape 5.0 - it wont be officially N5 |miggyfree| The Java port will use intuition alike AWT |d2| what's AWT? |miggyfree| Free Amiga project is also doing aGTK, aSANE, aGIMP |miggyfree| Free Amiga project is also about to begin planning a new operating system |miggyfree| more details will be released soon |Tipsy| correction: bloody good OS ;) |miggyfree| AWT is the stuff that draws the windows etc |DonJuan| Can I use old aweb ibrowse voyager hotlists? GA |miggyfree| DonJuan: yes. Our bookmarks program is really very impressive. You will be able to use it standalone, a la contact manager |miggyfree| Paul: you can use CM but our bookmarks program will be better. |DonJuan| Can you tell some words about aGTK, aSANE, aGIMP. I don´t know these short cuts |miggyfree| aGTK is a port of GTK, kinda Linuxs equivelant to MUI. aSANE is a scanner driver system that supports TWAIN |miggyfree| aGIMP is like Photoshop. But free. |someone| Are you afraid that someone else may use your source code to make their own browser? ;) |miggyfree| someone: no |someone| or use parts of it in a commercial browser |miggyfree| someone: if they do that and dont release the code then they will be sued by Netscape |miggyfree| we will be working with the developers of two other web browsers to integrate some of our code |\Abraham| How about a built in IRC, and telnet client and a built in archiver? How about a mailing list manager like the one for THor? |miggyfree| we will also be working on a Neo Planet style generic GUI system which makes use of other browsers layout engines |miggyfree| Abe: there will be built in IRC, and we are _considering_ doing a WinZIP style program. |miggyfree| Mailing List manager isnt really for a browser. |miggyfree| Ok, 3 more questions, then I will leave |miggyfree| We can do more of these conferences if you would like |\Abraham| How about support for Amitcp and miami and other tcp/ip? Or a built in one? One that will leave an icon on your WB saying `internet' and clicking on it will ask if u would like to connect b4 running amozzilla. |\Abraham| Like Windoze and NS |miggyfree| Abe: all TCP stacks will be supported. And yes, we are doing a feature like that |someone| Won't having lots of features like irc, archiver, etc only make it bigger and slower, and do we really need them.. (we already have amirc,etc) |miggyfree| someone: everything will be optional |ToDi| sorry, if it was asked before ... when is the release? and when will we see the first public-beta? |miggyfree| we will see a public beta within 2-3 weeks |miggyfree| the product will be released at the WOA show |d2| is log from this conference copyrighted? can it be used/spreaded in any form? |Tipsy| d2: copyright = non-existant |d2| reprinted in Paper magazine? |Tipsy| d2: spread it far & wide |miggyfree| d2: there are no objctions from me |miggyfree| thanks for your time |miggyfree| I appreciate it |miggyfree| no probs |miggyfree| I doubt I can make it tommorow |miggyfree| if you want another conference, give us a bell :) |miggyfree| Seeya later everyone. Another conference soon! ------------------------------------------------- E N D -------------------------------------------------- Thanks goes to Philip Edwards, Paul Bowley and aMozillaX team.