Session Start: Mon Aug 24 06:04:21 1998 «pekr» a few further questions ... :-) «TA» ok «pekr» why Amiga classic on PCI card is needed for OS5dev box, when new OS is not supposed to run on old hw? «TA» The new OS will not run on old hardware. The Inside-Out is so developers can still run amiga software. «pekr» aha, so is it needed for OS5 dev? «TA» I do not think so. But it will be helpful. «pekr» My imaginations of programming model of emulated-on-another-platform OS is limited, but when I want to write progs for such OSdev, I need some language (C++ probably), so is Ainc. decided what language will be supported? Will developers need to buy it separately? «TA» I have heard that C++ and Java will be hot topics. «pekr» yes, I understand it so far, but let's say I simply wanna write some app for OS5dev, so I need some language to acomplish it ... «TA» C++ and Java. «TA» most any OO language. «pekr» Yes, but :-) - do I have to buy it? Hey, it costs something :-) Maybe that's the reason they should use linux, because of "free" languages ... «TA» I don't know if you will have to buy it or if it will be part of the developer package that comes with an ICOA membership. «Dave_C» pekr: There are free and shareware C and C++ packages available. «pekr» will be Olaf's RKMs published in CD-ROM version and distributed via ICOA too? «TA» Either by ICOA or AI. «pekr» Dave: of course, for all mentioned platforms? (windows, be, linux) «Dave_C» C/C++ *should* be cross portable.... «Dave_C» that's the whole idea of the languages. «Dave_C» basic ANSI stuff anyway. «pekr» Will OS5dev include MMCR emulation? «TA» yes, in some ways. It wouldn't be a developmental box if not. «Dave_C» API specific stuff would require the api specific includes etc. «pekr» Dave: I know, I mean - if we can find C++ for Windows let's say free of charge «pekr» Also mentioned somewhere - dev box (concerning hw) will has some extras(?), so when I will have some super-duper PC at home (PII, 400 MHz), could I use it? «TA» pekr: Yes, you could probably use it as far as we know right now. «Dave_C» afaik, any x86/233 or better will work, but the A/V cards will be limited. «Dave_C» or rather the supported drivers will be limited as the Dev box is a temporary machine and we shouldn't be 'on' that machine too long. «pekr» Yes, do you know what one or two cards are going to be supported? «Dave_C» nope.. not yet «TA» pekr: Not yet on the cards. «Dave_C» only speculation «pekr» so drivers don't exist yet :-) «Dave_C» speculation is something that GW has and usues. «Dave_C» not to *my* knowledge «TA» pekr: That isn't what was said by me. We have not been told yet what cards will be supported. «TA» That will all beannounced closer to November-December. «Dave_C» yup.... «pekr» december - the show time :-) «Dave_C» as I said, all we have ATM is speculation «TA» also, don't expect OS dev5 to be a complete roll-out then. I think they will roll it out in modules. «Dave_C» if it was me, I'd use something that I had access to.....but I'm not AI or Gateway. «pekr» modules - enought to start studying APIs «TA» yes ... «TA» sections, pieces rather than a complete OS beta. I just suspect it will take longer than till Nov-Dec to get the whole OS written. «pekr» I'm confused by kernel question :-) OS5dev is going to have different one from final version ... From the programmers point of view, does it matter? «TA» pekr: The kernel is something to ask fleecy about. «TA» I just don't have answers about the kernel. «pekr» will there be complete OS team announced by Cologne? «TA» or the chip. :) «TA» pekr: That isn't AI's style to announce a "team". Dr Allen Havemose is heading that up and that is all they will probably announce. «TA» Notice on the web site, they only list managers. «TA» whereas on Amiga Int site they list everyone. «TA» well, gotta run. Bedtime here for me. «TA» see you guys later. «pekr» I just wonder how all that NDAs work :-) Don'T you think it is strange just some AInc. knows of some chip development? «TA» pekr: NDA's are strange things. I do not have an NDA. All of Ainc knows about the chip development. «TA» my NDA is my word and my honor. «pekr» Some under-X-Files company develops some super-chip, just to be used in Amigas? Maybe MS is negotiating too about porting their crappy OSes to it :-) «TA» I have no idea and have nothing I can say about the chip. «pekr» I hope RKMs are going to be available for cologne too ... «TA» for amigaNG or for OS3.1? «pekr» 3.1 «pekr» When aproximately ICOA starts registrations? «TA» Hopefully they will be. They are working on the latest stuff Olaf sent in. «TA» anyways,cya! ...